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Are street toilets green infrastructure?

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  • Evan Prodromouundefined Evan Prodromou

    Hey, all. My answer is yes. Here's my reasoning: part of the Transition is moving to more active transportation, like walking and biking. But a trip that takes 10 minutes in a car can take 40 minutes on foot. People need to pee every 1.5 to 3 hours, so there's a much better chance that you're going to need to go to the bathroom on a walking trip than on a driving trip. You're covering more of the window.

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    So, cities that build biking or walking paths should make sure there are free and accessible washrooms along the way.

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    • Evan Prodromouundefined Evan Prodromou

      So, cities that build biking or walking paths should make sure there are free and accessible washrooms along the way.

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      If there aren't washrooms available, people improvise, so to speak, making urban areas less pleasant and consequently less walkable or bike able.

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      • Evan Prodromouundefined Evan Prodromou

        If there aren't washrooms available, people improvise, so to speak, making urban areas less pleasant and consequently less walkable or bike able.

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        For someone driving, if they are in the car and they get the urge, there are a lot of services set up to cater to them: gas stations, minimarts, fast food restaurants. And in a car, the time required for a detour is much lower. If you're on foot, on the other hand, you have to identify a place to use, like a cafe or restaurant, and maybe make a purchase just to get access to the restrooms.

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        • Evan Prodromouundefined Evan Prodromou

          For someone driving, if they are in the car and they get the urge, there are a lot of services set up to cater to them: gas stations, minimarts, fast food restaurants. And in a car, the time required for a detour is much lower. If you're on foot, on the other hand, you have to identify a place to use, like a cafe or restaurant, and maybe make a purchase just to get access to the restrooms.

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          When you consider children and seniors, the issue gets more urgent and the need is more frequent.

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          • Evan Prodromouundefined Evan Prodromou

            When you consider children and seniors, the issue gets more urgent and the need is more frequent.

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            Public toilets make cities more walkable. Cities that are working on the Transition need to consider opportunities for making toilets available to pedestrians and bikers.

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            • Evan Prodromouundefined Evan Prodromou

              Public toilets make cities more walkable. Cities that are working on the Transition need to consider opportunities for making toilets available to pedestrians and bikers.

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              My city, Montreal, is notoriously lacking in public toilet infrastructure:

              https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/good-question-montreal-public-washrooms-1.7106376

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              • Evan Prodromouundefined Evan Prodromou

                My city, Montreal, is notoriously lacking in public toilet infrastructure:

                https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/good-question-montreal-public-washrooms-1.7106376

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                There's some work to open up more of the toilets on private property to public use:

                https://montrealcentreville.ca/en/what-to-do/ptit-coin-the-network-of-public-washrooms-downtown/

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                • Evan Prodromouundefined Evan Prodromou

                  There's some work to open up more of the toilets on private property to public use:

                  https://montrealcentreville.ca/en/what-to-do/ptit-coin-the-network-of-public-washrooms-downtown/

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                  Besides encouraging active transportation, public toilets just make people feel like they're part of something bigger. That the city they live in recognises their basic needs and is competent enough to accommodate those needs. It's great for social cohesion.

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                  • Evan Prodromouundefined Evan Prodromou

                    My city, Montreal, is notoriously lacking in public toilet infrastructure:

                    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/good-question-montreal-public-washrooms-1.7106376

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                    @evan Related: did you know about the lost public bathrooms?

                    (Edit: maybe covered in that podcast episode; I didn’t listen (yet).)

                    https://www.montrealgazette.com/news/article498874.html

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                    • Jan Johannessonundefined Jan Johannesson

                      @evan There are lots of "green" equipment which I assume you are talking about. Used for takin care of the waste. It has become so efficient so you are not obliged to connect it to a VAC (is it called that?) system.

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                      @jajo here's my reasoning:

                      https://cosocial.ca/@evan/115126657072426412

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                      • Geoff Coffeyundefined Geoff Coffey

                        @evan No but street toilets are a human right and one that is badly neglected by our infrastructure approach.

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                        @gwcoffey I agree!

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                        • Sean Coatesundefined Sean Coates

                          @evan Related: did you know about the lost public bathrooms?

                          (Edit: maybe covered in that podcast episode; I didn’t listen (yet).)

                          https://www.montrealgazette.com/news/article498874.html

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                          @sean yeah! It's so cool.

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                          • Evan Prodromouundefined Evan Prodromou

                            Besides encouraging active transportation, public toilets just make people feel like they're part of something bigger. That the city they live in recognises their basic needs and is competent enough to accommodate those needs. It's great for social cohesion.

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                            @evan
                            Fun fact: Rotary International is responsible for the first public toilets in Chicago in 1907. Back then "the city they live in" wasn't into the biz of public comfort, or sanitation.

                            A lot of the public infrastructure that people take for granted today is the result of service clubs formed at the end of the 19th and the start of the 20th centuries.

                            https://californialocal.com/localnews/statewide/ca/article/show/238946-doing-good-rotary-international/

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                            • Chris Neklasonundefined Chris Neklason

                              @evan
                              Fun fact: Rotary International is responsible for the first public toilets in Chicago in 1907. Back then "the city they live in" wasn't into the biz of public comfort, or sanitation.

                              A lot of the public infrastructure that people take for granted today is the result of service clubs formed at the end of the 19th and the start of the 20th centuries.

                              https://californialocal.com/localnews/statewide/ca/article/show/238946-doing-good-rotary-international/

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                              @chris That's really interesting!

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