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    @Ramonsalazar @gaza Jews lived for centuries amongst Muslims, in fact, they were always protected by them in the Levant & North Africa; it was the Romans persecuting them, or the Spanish inquisition/Crusaders. They always found shelter there, but the Problem remains with the #NaziZionist occupiers. Well, a Russian Jew needs to go back to Russia, a German J should go to Germany, a Palestinian Jew should live in Palestine, otherwise why don't Guatemalan Christians colonize the #Vatican too?

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    @TheWitness Your message reflects a perspective rooted in historical narratives & strong sentiments, but it contains inaccuracies and oversimplifications that need addressing with clarity and evidence. As someone who supports Israel's right to exist, gonna respond with facts, focusing on historical context & logical reasoning, without resorting to hatred or insults.

    Historical Coexistence and Persecution: You’re correct that Jews lived among Muslims in the Levant and North Africa for centuries

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    • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

      @TheWitness Your message reflects a perspective rooted in historical narratives & strong sentiments, but it contains inaccuracies and oversimplifications that need addressing with clarity and evidence. As someone who supports Israel's right to exist, gonna respond with facts, focusing on historical context & logical reasoning, without resorting to hatred or insults.

      Historical Coexistence and Persecution: You’re correct that Jews lived among Muslims in the Levant and North Africa for centuries

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      @TheWitness often finding relative safety compared to periods of European persecution, such as during the Roman era, the Spanish Inquisition, or the Crusades. Under Islamic rule, Jews were generally considered dhimmis (protected non-Muslims) and could practice their faith, though often under restrictions and with second-class status, including paying the jizya tax. However, this coexistence wasn’t always harmonious.

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      • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

        @TheWitness often finding relative safety compared to periods of European persecution, such as during the Roman era, the Spanish Inquisition, or the Crusades. Under Islamic rule, Jews were generally considered dhimmis (protected non-Muslims) and could practice their faith, though often under restrictions and with second-class status, including paying the jizya tax. However, this coexistence wasn’t always harmonious.

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        @TheWitness For example, the 1066 Granada massacre in Muslim Spain saw hundreds of Jews killed, and periodic violence occurred in places like Fez (1465) and Baghdad (1828). While Muslim rulers sometimes offered refuge, Jews faced systemic discrimination and occasional pogroms in various Muslim-majority regions.

        Zionism and the "Occupier" Claim: Labeling Zionism as "NaziZionist" equates a Jewish national movement with an ideology responsible for the Holocaust, which is factually inaccurate

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        • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

          @TheWitness For example, the 1066 Granada massacre in Muslim Spain saw hundreds of Jews killed, and periodic violence occurred in places like Fez (1465) and Baghdad (1828). While Muslim rulers sometimes offered refuge, Jews faced systemic discrimination and occasional pogroms in various Muslim-majority regions.

          Zionism and the "Occupier" Claim: Labeling Zionism as "NaziZionist" equates a Jewish national movement with an ideology responsible for the Holocaust, which is factually inaccurate

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          @TheWitness seeking a homeland where Jews could live free from persecution. The establishment of Israel in 1948 followed the UN Partition Plan (Resolution 181), which proposed both a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jewish leadership accepted this plan; the Arab leadership rejected it and launched a war to prevent Israel’s creation. The term "occupier" ignores this context and the legal basis for Israel’s establishment.

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          • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

            @TheWitness seeking a homeland where Jews could live free from persecution. The establishment of Israel in 1948 followed the UN Partition Plan (Resolution 181), which proposed both a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jewish leadership accepted this plan; the Arab leadership rejected it and launched a war to prevent Israel’s creation. The term "occupier" ignores this context and the legal basis for Israel’s establishment.

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            @TheWitness Jewish Origins and Connection to the Land: Your suggestion that Jews should "go back" to #Russia, #Germany, or elsewhere overlooks the deep historical and cultural ties of Jews to the land of #Israel. Archaeological evidence, such as the #DeadSeaScrolls and the Western Wall, and historical records, including the Bible and Roman accounts, confirm Jewish presence in the region dating back over 3,000 years.

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            • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

              @TheWitness Jewish Origins and Connection to the Land: Your suggestion that Jews should "go back" to #Russia, #Germany, or elsewhere overlooks the deep historical and cultural ties of Jews to the land of #Israel. Archaeological evidence, such as the #DeadSeaScrolls and the Western Wall, and historical records, including the Bible and Roman accounts, confirm Jewish presence in the region dating back over 3,000 years.

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              @TheWitness Most Jews in #Israel today aren't recent European immigrants; over half of Israel’s Jewish population're Mizrahi or Sephardi Jews, descendants of communities from #TheMiddleEast & #NorthAfrica, who faced expulsions & violence in countries like #Iraq, #Yemen, and #Egypt after 1948. For example, nearly 850,000 Jews were expelled or fled from Arab countries between 1948 and the 1970s. Palestinian Jews, as you mention, are part of this historical continuum, not a separate category.

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              • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

                @TheWitness Most Jews in #Israel today aren't recent European immigrants; over half of Israel’s Jewish population're Mizrahi or Sephardi Jews, descendants of communities from #TheMiddleEast & #NorthAfrica, who faced expulsions & violence in countries like #Iraq, #Yemen, and #Egypt after 1948. For example, nearly 850,000 Jews were expelled or fled from Arab countries between 1948 and the 1970s. Palestinian Jews, as you mention, are part of this historical continuum, not a separate category.

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                @TheWitness Regarding The Analogy to Guatemalan Christians & #theVatican: This comparison doesn’t hold. The Vatican's a sovereign city-state and the administrative center of the Catholic Church, not a homeland tied to a specific ethnic/national identity. In contrast, #Israel is a nation-state rooted in the Jewish people’s historical, cultural, & religious connection to the land. Guatemalan Christians have no historical claim to the Vatican, whereas Jews have a documented, millennia-long

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                • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

                  @TheWitness Regarding The Analogy to Guatemalan Christians & #theVatican: This comparison doesn’t hold. The Vatican's a sovereign city-state and the administrative center of the Catholic Church, not a homeland tied to a specific ethnic/national identity. In contrast, #Israel is a nation-state rooted in the Jewish people’s historical, cultural, & religious connection to the land. Guatemalan Christians have no historical claim to the Vatican, whereas Jews have a documented, millennia-long

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                  @TheWitness Moreover, the idea of "sending Jews back" ignores the reality of modern #Israel, where 7 million Jews live as citizens, many born there, alongside 2 million Arab Israelis with full citizenship rights.

                  The Palestinian Context: The Palestinian struggle's real, & their aspirations for self-determination deserve acknowledgment.

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                  • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

                    @TheWitness Moreover, the idea of "sending Jews back" ignores the reality of modern #Israel, where 7 million Jews live as citizens, many born there, alongside 2 million Arab Israelis with full citizenship rights.

                    The Palestinian Context: The Palestinian struggle's real, & their aspirations for self-determination deserve acknowledgment.

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                    @TheWitness However, framing the conflict as solely the fault of "Zionist occupiers" ignores the complexity. Multiple wars (1948, 1967, 1973) initiated by Arab states against #Israel, rejection of peace offers (e.g., Camp David 2000, Olmert’s 2008 proposal), and ongoing terrorism have complicated the path to a two-state solution. Israel’s security measures, while often criticized, stem from threats like suicide bombings and rocket attacks, which have killed thousands of Israelis since the 1990s

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                    • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

                      @TheWitness However, framing the conflict as solely the fault of "Zionist occupiers" ignores the complexity. Multiple wars (1948, 1967, 1973) initiated by Arab states against #Israel, rejection of peace offers (e.g., Camp David 2000, Olmert’s 2008 proposal), and ongoing terrorism have complicated the path to a two-state solution. Israel’s security measures, while often criticized, stem from threats like suicide bombings and rocket attacks, which have killed thousands of Israelis since the 1990s

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                      @TheWitness In summary, your view simplifies a complex history and ignores the Jewish people’s right to self-determination in their ancestral homeland. Israel’s existence is grounded in international law, historical precedent, and the necessity of a refuge after centuries of persecution. A resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict requires mutual recognition and negotiation, not calls for one group to "go back" or inflammatory comparisons. Both peoples have legitimate claims, and

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                      • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

                        @TheWitness In summary, your view simplifies a complex history and ignores the Jewish people’s right to self-determination in their ancestral homeland. Israel’s existence is grounded in international law, historical precedent, and the necessity of a refuge after centuries of persecution. A resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict requires mutual recognition and negotiation, not calls for one group to "go back" or inflammatory comparisons. Both peoples have legitimate claims, and

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                        @Ramonsalazar I don't recognize no occupation,Palestine/Ukraine/Eastern Turkestan must be free, I don't give a fuck how long the colonization has been established.France remained in Algeria over 3 generations/132 years,yet they were fought in a bloody revolution and got kicked out.The same's imminent to happen in every colonized land,it's a matter of time. DNA doesn't lie, a religion isn't an excuse to colonize others. IvankaTrump became a Jew & is now divinely promised the land of Palestine too

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                        • TheWitnessundefined TheWitness

                          @Ramonsalazar I don't recognize no occupation,Palestine/Ukraine/Eastern Turkestan must be free, I don't give a fuck how long the colonization has been established.France remained in Algeria over 3 generations/132 years,yet they were fought in a bloody revolution and got kicked out.The same's imminent to happen in every colonized land,it's a matter of time. DNA doesn't lie, a religion isn't an excuse to colonize others. IvankaTrump became a Jew & is now divinely promised the land of Palestine too

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                          @TheWitness Your claims're rooted in misinformation and a skewed narrative that ignores history & facts. #Palestine as a sovereign state never existed; the land was part of the Ottoman Empire, then British Mandate, & historically tied to Jewish presence for millennia, as archaeological evidence & DNA studies confirm. The term "Palestinian" refers to Arabs who migrated to the region, largely from #Lebanon, #Egypt, #Jordan, and other neighboring areas,

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                          • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

                            @TheWitness Your claims're rooted in misinformation and a skewed narrative that ignores history & facts. #Palestine as a sovereign state never existed; the land was part of the Ottoman Empire, then British Mandate, & historically tied to Jewish presence for millennia, as archaeological evidence & DNA studies confirm. The term "Palestinian" refers to Arabs who migrated to the region, largely from #Lebanon, #Egypt, #Jordan, and other neighboring areas,

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                            @TheWitness especially during the 19th & 20th centuries. The #WestBank, historically Judea and Samaria, is the ancestral heartland of the Jewish people, check any ancient text or map.

                            Your comparison to French #Algeria is irrelevant. Israel isn’t a colonial project; it’s a return of indigenous Jews to their homeland, backed by international law like the Balfour Declaration and UN resolutions.

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                            • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

                              @TheWitness especially during the 19th & 20th centuries. The #WestBank, historically Judea and Samaria, is the ancestral heartland of the Jewish people, check any ancient text or map.

                              Your comparison to French #Algeria is irrelevant. Israel isn’t a colonial project; it’s a return of indigenous Jews to their homeland, backed by international law like the Balfour Declaration and UN resolutions.

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                              @TheWitness The Arabs in the region, including in #Gaza & #theWestBank, have repeatedly rejected peace offers, look at Camp David 2000 or Olmert’s 2008 proposal, choosing violence through groups like #Hamas, a terrorist organization by objective standard, responsible for countless attacks on civilians.
                              As for your jab about Ivanka Trump, it’s a distraction. Conversion to #Judaism doesn’t grant land rights, but it highlights the inclusivity of Jewish identity, unlike the exclusionary rhetoric of

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                                @TheWitness The Arabs in the region, including in #Gaza & #theWestBank, have repeatedly rejected peace offers, look at Camp David 2000 or Olmert’s 2008 proposal, choosing violence through groups like #Hamas, a terrorist organization by objective standard, responsible for countless attacks on civilians.
                                As for your jab about Ivanka Trump, it’s a distraction. Conversion to #Judaism doesn’t grant land rights, but it highlights the inclusivity of Jewish identity, unlike the exclusionary rhetoric of

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                                @TheWitness those who deny Israel’s right to exist. #Hamas & their supporters aren’t fighting for freedom; they’re pushing a radical Islamist agenda that suppresses their own people, look at Gaza’s governance or the PA’s corruption. DNA doesn’t lie, but neither does history: #Israel is here to stay, and no amount of revisionism or terror will change that.

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                                • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

                                  @TheWitness The Arabs in the region, including in #Gaza & #theWestBank, have repeatedly rejected peace offers, look at Camp David 2000 or Olmert’s 2008 proposal, choosing violence through groups like #Hamas, a terrorist organization by objective standard, responsible for countless attacks on civilians.
                                  As for your jab about Ivanka Trump, it’s a distraction. Conversion to #Judaism doesn’t grant land rights, but it highlights the inclusivity of Jewish identity, unlike the exclusionary rhetoric of

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                                  @Ramonsalazar in Psychology we learned a tactic to make people do what u want, by providing them option A or option A.2, while both are A. It's ridiculous to mention Arabs rejecting to legalize the legitimacy of an illegitimate occupier! France nested for 132 years in Algeria and tried Tunisia, Morocco, Syria, & Lebanon;they ended up getting their butts kicked! Palestine'll be free, & there'll live Arabs (Muslims/Christians) and Israelite Jews. #Zionists'll be sent back from where they came from

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                                    @Ramonsalazar in Psychology we learned a tactic to make people do what u want, by providing them option A or option A.2, while both are A. It's ridiculous to mention Arabs rejecting to legalize the legitimacy of an illegitimate occupier! France nested for 132 years in Algeria and tried Tunisia, Morocco, Syria, & Lebanon;they ended up getting their butts kicked! Palestine'll be free, & there'll live Arabs (Muslims/Christians) and Israelite Jews. #Zionists'll be sent back from where they came from

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                                    @TheWitness The tactic you describe—offering two versions of the same choice—doesn’t apply here. #israels legitimacy isn’t a psychological trick; it’s grounded in history, international law, and moral necessity. The Jewish people’s connection to this land spans over 3,000 years, from the Kingdom of Israel to the Second Temple, long before modern states emerged. The Balfour Declaration, San Remo Conference, and UN Resolution 181 in 1947 affirmed this right, establishing Israel legally,

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                                      @TheWitness The tactic you describe—offering two versions of the same choice—doesn’t apply here. #israels legitimacy isn’t a psychological trick; it’s grounded in history, international law, and moral necessity. The Jewish people’s connection to this land spans over 3,000 years, from the Kingdom of Israel to the Second Temple, long before modern states emerged. The Balfour Declaration, San Remo Conference, and UN Resolution 181 in 1947 affirmed this right, establishing Israel legally,

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                                      @TheWitness not as an "occupier."
                                      Comparing #Israel to colonial France is a false equivalence. #France was a foreign power with no historical claim to #Algeria or the Levant. Jews, however, are indigenous to Judea and Samaria, with archaeological evidence and continuous presence despite exile. The 1948 war, launched by Arab states rejecting Israel’s existence, wasn’t about occupation—it was about survival against annihilation.

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                                      • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

                                        @TheWitness not as an "occupier."
                                        Comparing #Israel to colonial France is a false equivalence. #France was a foreign power with no historical claim to #Algeria or the Levant. Jews, however, are indigenous to Judea and Samaria, with archaeological evidence and continuous presence despite exile. The 1948 war, launched by Arab states rejecting Israel’s existence, wasn’t about occupation—it was about survival against annihilation.

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                                        @TheWitness #Israel won, fairly and defensively, and has since faced relentless attacks, from wars to terrorism.
                                        Your vision of a "#freePalestine" where Muslims, Christians, and Jews live together ignores the reality: Israel already has 20% Arab citizens with full rights, while #Hamas and#ThePalestinianAuthority have repeatedly rejected peace offers (Camp David 2000, Olmert 2008) that would’ve created a #PalestinianState

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                                        • Ramon Salazarundefined Ramon Salazar

                                          @TheWitness those who deny Israel’s right to exist. #Hamas & their supporters aren’t fighting for freedom; they’re pushing a radical Islamist agenda that suppresses their own people, look at Gaza’s governance or the PA’s corruption. DNA doesn’t lie, but neither does history: #Israel is here to stay, and no amount of revisionism or terror will change that.

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                                          @Ramonsalazar I believed in a 2 states solution, until I witnessed the #Genocide with my own eyes! I only believe now in a 1 state solution, a free state from the #ZioOccupation. All thanks to the #Israeli official rhetoric that was uttered clearly & fluently, now I believe there is no compromise. Indigenous people are welcome to stay Christians/Muslims/Jews. Foreign intruders Ashkenazi Europeans, Ethiopian Africans...it's time to pack up & go back to your countries. Make Palestine great again!

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