people who think turning all coding into "debugging shitty code someone else wrote" is somehow going to yield productivity gains

@eniko Meanwhile, my current big project, Cog, is somebody else's code that I forked and then piled over 2000 new commits onto.

Somehow I found it easier to start with someone else's complete project than to start my own project from scratch.

Which then makes me wonder what the heck is up with all the people who want access to my old code so they can fork it and continue to maintain it, when it probably wasn't that special or original to begin with. Which is doubly complicated by the fact I dashed that code to heck because the lead developer of the project I was extending is a fricking chud and I want nothing to do with him or the Windows operating system any more, and don't want to help people who want to work with him either.

@chris i mean it's fine to not want to do all the work of being an actual programmer. where i take issue is people putting together AI slop and proudly proclaiming not only are they real programmers, they're better and putting together buggy AI slop is the way of the future

if you follow me and feel positively towards AI i should warn you that you will not find my opinions on AI palatable and you will not change my mind about them

"but eniko you will lose follows"

that is acceptable

@eniko I'm fairly sure masto is an ai-hostile bubble, but that may just be my impression.

@sol_hsa not enough of one, it appears

@eniko I disagree, because when you say "feel positively towards AI", you are essentially giving up the foothold game development had for decades, to the new nomenclature of extreme fallibility and cost of LLMs.

We have been using 'AI' and 'Procedural Generation' for decades in games. That the LLMs now want to pretend only their thing is 'AI', is awful.

A full response would be very long and I have had this conversation a lot, so here is a video that explains it best: https://youtu.be/CeZ_rcDQg6Q?t=925

@eniko The gatekeeping claims in this thread are crazy to me, this is not a childish "if you code in X you're not a real programmer because real programmers code in Y".

LLMs and "AI Tools" for programming are terrible, not only performing what's supposed to be their job, they also bring a lot of more problems outside and inside than actual benefits.

If you can't or don't want to see this, it's up to you, but don't expect me or many more to take you seriously, like at all lol

@NullTheFool @eniko

sadly people generally aren't appreciative of being made aware that something they like, especially something that they recently got passionate about, is actually shit, damaging for them and for anyone around