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Look, EU, it is difficult to take you seriously when you forced all this cookie notification bullshit on us.

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  • Cassandrichundefined Cassandrich

    @codinghorror @mkoek @Setok Really telling what kind of person would blame the pigs and not the farmer...

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    #42

    @dalias @mkoek @Setok we are, in fact, a different species than pigs. All I'm saying is, try to design systems that work with observed real world human behavior, and not against it. I am tired, so very very tired, of watching so many tilt at windmills for decades

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    • Jeff Atwoodundefined Jeff Atwood

      @dalias @mkoek @Setok we are, in fact, a different species than pigs. All I'm saying is, try to design systems that work with observed real world human behavior, and not against it. I am tired, so very very tired, of watching so many tilt at windmills for decades

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      #43

      @codinghorror @mkoek @Setok When the behavior of some humans is actively hostile towards others I care about, I absolutely am going to work against that behavior, and encourage others to do so too.

      Not doing that is how we got where we are. Letting bad people keep pushing norms and boundaries to do harmful things they wanted to make money doing.

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      • Cassandrichundefined Cassandrich

        @codinghorror @mkoek @Setok When the behavior of some humans is actively hostile towards others I care about, I absolutely am going to work against that behavior, and encourage others to do so too.

        Not doing that is how we got where we are. Letting bad people keep pushing norms and boundaries to do harmful things they wanted to make money doing.

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        #44

        @dalias @mkoek @Setok you have to realize that, statistically speaking, all human beings have an insatiable bloodlust for "free"

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        • Jeff Atwoodundefined Jeff Atwood

          @mkoek @Setok @dalias the least-worst path here is being honest "what is this so-called 'free' really costing me", but do it without one zillion popups please.

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          #45
          @codinghorror @mkoek @Setok @dalias that's funny because SO doesn't pay the content creators either 🙂

          and the main point left out on these discussions all the freaking time:

          the reason the popups exist is because the cost of a thousand advertising "impressions" is roughly less than a cent for an unknown user, and around $12 for a user with a full profile, hence sites try to match you every visit.
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          • Jeff Atwoodundefined Jeff Atwood

            @dalias @mkoek @Setok you have to realize that, statistically speaking, all human beings have an insatiable bloodlust for "free"

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            #46

            @codinghorror

            dunno, imho thats overstating it. People pay for pretty much everything, either directly, or indirectly via taxes. And many of the things that are now supposed to be "free" used to be paid for (newspapers, magazines etc.) without even thinking about it.

            rather than a deep homo sapiens malfunction, the issue is more of a silly mix of adtech conditioning (here, free email for your data) and publishers not gettting their act together for the digital age.

            @dalias @mkoek @Setok

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            • Cassandrichundefined Cassandrich

              @codinghorror @mkoek @Setok When the behavior of some humans is actively hostile towards others I care about, I absolutely am going to work against that behavior, and encourage others to do so too.

              Not doing that is how we got where we are. Letting bad people keep pushing norms and boundaries to do harmful things they wanted to make money doing.

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              #47
              @dalias @codinghorror @mkoek @Setok Fun fact about this: This relates to the nature vs nurture argument.

              Nurture accounts for a lot and there's considerable archeological evidence for egalitarian societies.

              "Real world human behavior" is either a uselessly constrained set designating exclusively the state of current societies, or a uselessly broad term that can encompass basically any possible society.
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              • Jeff Atwoodundefined Jeff Atwood

                @nlupo @AugierLe42e yes, if we make the Torment Nexus a bit more Torment-y, perhaps it will go away? GOOD PLAN EVERYONE EXCELLENT WORK

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                #48

                @codinghorror Well stop tormenting ppl then?
                @nlupo

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                • Jeff Atwoodundefined Jeff Atwood

                  Look, EU, it is difficult to take you seriously when you forced all this cookie notification bullshit on us. That feature a) should not exist and b) if it did, should be a BROWSER feature not "every website in the entire world now has to bother everyone forever about this stupid thing" https://blog.codinghorror.com/breaking-the-webs-cookie-jar/

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                  #49

                  @codinghorror tracking users is not a technical requirement for any website to work. The intention with these warnings was to deter tracking, not almost every website punishing its visitors into submission.

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                  • Gregoryundefined Gregory

                    @codinghorror tracking users is not a technical requirement for any website to work. The intention with these warnings was to deter tracking, not almost every website punishing its visitors into submission.

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                    #50

                    @grishka "no plan survives contact with users"

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                    • Jeff Atwoodundefined Jeff Atwood

                      @grishka "no plan survives contact with users"

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                      #51

                      @codinghorror @grishka especially when the “users” are malicious leeches and rent-seekers

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