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Re: Friendly reminder #ActivityPub protocol development will go back behind permissioned closed doors (unless you pay w3c or are deemed an invited expert) doors at w3c in the near future.

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  • julian@activitypub.spaceJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    @darius@friend.camp that makes sense, thanks! I was under the impression that the CG would be dissolved in favor of the WG. It doesn't seem like this is the case.

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      @darius@friend.camp that makes sense, thanks! I was under the impression that the CG would be dissolved in favor of the WG. It doesn't seem like this is the case.

      evan@cosocial.caE This user is from outside of this forum
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      @julian @darius That's not the case!

      @dmitri do you have the link for the meeting notes from last Friday? They'd be really helpful for this conversation.

      EDIT: Found em in my history! https://hedgedoc.socialweb.coop/MoKSsjLPRwyDoDpKodH_mQ?edit

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        @julian @darius That's not the case!

        @dmitri do you have the link for the meeting notes from last Friday? They'd be really helpful for this conversation.

        EDIT: Found em in my history! https://hedgedoc.socialweb.coop/MoKSsjLPRwyDoDpKodH_mQ?edit

        evan@cosocial.caE This user is from outside of this forum
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        @julian @darius @dmitri I think @bengo has brought a lot of healthy skepticism to the CG and WG chartering efforts over the last few years. I'm glad he's worked so hard on this, and I hope he continues to make sure that processes stay open and fair.

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        • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

          @julian @darius @dmitri I think @bengo has brought a lot of healthy skepticism to the CG and WG chartering efforts over the last few years. I'm glad he's worked so hard on this, and I hope he continues to make sure that processes stay open and fair.

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          @evan @julian @darius @dmitri This is not only about fairness and openness, but even moreso about backwards compatibility and not changing the conformance classes in a way that will effectively 'fork' ActivityPub. Which is why I emailed you Jan 16, 2024 with concerns about the changes to normative references in your draft (no reply). A WG is ONLY needed to make non normative changes affecting conformance classes like you've authored into your draft.

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            @evan @julian @darius @dmitri This is not only about fairness and openness, but even moreso about backwards compatibility and not changing the conformance classes in a way that will effectively 'fork' ActivityPub. Which is why I emailed you Jan 16, 2024 with concerns about the changes to normative references in your draft (no reply). A WG is ONLY needed to make non normative changes affecting conformance classes like you've authored into your draft.

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            @bengo @julian @darius @dmitri That doesn't ring a bell. Checking my email archives, I see your announcement of activitypub-testing on 15 Jan and you declined the AP issue triage on 17 Jan.

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            • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

              @bengo @julian @darius @dmitri That doesn't ring a bell. Checking my email archives, I see your announcement of activitypub-testing on 15 Jan and you declined the AP issue triage on 17 Jan.

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              @bengo @julian @darius @dmitri I don't think private email is the right way to work on ActivityPub or Activity Streams, anyways. If you think something went wrong with one of the errata or the editors' draft, you should definitely open an issue on GitHub or post to the public-swicg mailing list. You've been active in those discussions, so that's probably a great way to talk about it.

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                @bengo @julian @darius @dmitri I don't think private email is the right way to work on ActivityPub or Activity Streams, anyways. If you think something went wrong with one of the errata or the editors' draft, you should definitely open an issue on GitHub or post to the public-swicg mailing list. You've been active in those discussions, so that's probably a great way to talk about it.

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                @bengo @julian @darius @dmitri I also think backwards compatibility is important. It would be catastrophic to announce an incompatible next version that doesn't work with the existing millions of users and tens of thousands of servers. If we add new features, like LOLA, they'd have to be compatible with the network as it is now.

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                • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                  @bengo @julian @darius @dmitri That doesn't ring a bell. Checking my email archives, I see your announcement of activitypub-testing on 15 Jan and you declined the AP issue triage on 17 Jan.

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                  @evan @julian @darius @dmitri this isn't the first time you've claimed to not receive an email I sent from gmail and got no undeliverability notice for. You should fix your self hosted mail setup or use a reliable one for important roles.

                  I'm finding it hard to reconcile your position that private email is not the right way to work on this when you have sent me many such emails e.g. about how I should sign an NDA with Facebook to come work with you and them on ActivityPub and ActivityStreams.

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                  • bengo@mastodon.socialB bengo@mastodon.social

                    @evan @julian @darius @dmitri this isn't the first time you've claimed to not receive an email I sent from gmail and got no undeliverability notice for. You should fix your self hosted mail setup or use a reliable one for important roles.

                    I'm finding it hard to reconcile your position that private email is not the right way to work on this when you have sent me many such emails e.g. about how I should sign an NDA with Facebook to come work with you and them on ActivityPub and ActivityStreams.

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                    @bengo I regret losing your email. It was clearly important. I'm sorry.

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