I saw something disturbing this morning.
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Stefano Marinelli I hope that they have learnt that a single email should not be enough to authorise a payment
@nick no, they have strict procedures for this. But another company I know fell in the trap (anyway, I'm not surprised)
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@stefano All jokes aside, wouldn’t a proper accounting department question an unscheduled or unbudgeted expense just because the invoice says "pay now", specially without any warning?
@ricardo this one doesn't - but another I know did it. And lost 18000 euros.
And they refused a new server because "hey, 1800 euros are too much for a refurbished Dell server" -
I wonder how the scammers get samples of the president's emails to use?
@nlarson830 The president is active as he's talking at conferences, etc. I've tested and the LLMs are aware of this person and his style.
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I saw something disturbing this morning.
One of my clients showed me an email. They use Gmail for their emails (on their own domain) and download them locally.
The email officially came from their company president, giving the purchasing department orders to immediately pay an invoice of around €20,000 to a new supplier in the UK. It included all the details and had the invoice attached as a PDF.The worrying part is that the style and tone of the writing were exactly like their president's. However, the sender's address, while using the correct name, was a generic Gmail account. This immediately raised a red flag for the purchasing department, and they didn't fall for it. It was also easy for them to check because the president was in their office at that very moment.
Looking at the sender's address, it would have been simple for anyone to figure out what was happening, but many people don't.
The accuracy with which they (likely using an LLM) recreated the president's writing style is truly concerning.@stefano PGP signing is 34 y.o. with several open source implementations that make it easy to sign and to verify email messages. I will never understand why business avoid it
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@ricardo this one doesn't - but another I know did it. And lost 18000 euros.
And they refused a new server because "hey, 1800 euros are too much for a refurbished Dell server" -
I saw something disturbing this morning.
One of my clients showed me an email. They use Gmail for their emails (on their own domain) and download them locally.
The email officially came from their company president, giving the purchasing department orders to immediately pay an invoice of around €20,000 to a new supplier in the UK. It included all the details and had the invoice attached as a PDF.The worrying part is that the style and tone of the writing were exactly like their president's. However, the sender's address, while using the correct name, was a generic Gmail account. This immediately raised a red flag for the purchasing department, and they didn't fall for it. It was also easy for them to check because the president was in their office at that very moment.
Looking at the sender's address, it would have been simple for anyone to figure out what was happening, but many people don't.
The accuracy with which they (likely using an LLM) recreated the president's writing style is truly concerning.@stefano I’ve heard that they also do this through phone call, using AI mimicking voices.
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@ricardo yes. life can be hard, at times
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@stefano I’ve heard that they also do this through phone call, using AI mimicking voices.
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@stefano This is true. Quite popular fraud scheme in my country (and actually post-Soviet space). So they collect enough samples of your voice to train AI, and then call your relatives asking to transfer money somewhere ASAP. That's one of the schemes.
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@stefano This is true. Quite popular fraud scheme in my country (and actually post-Soviet space). So they collect enough samples of your voice to train AI, and then call your relatives asking to transfer money somewhere ASAP. That's one of the schemes.
@chesheer Scary!
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I saw something disturbing this morning.
One of my clients showed me an email. They use Gmail for their emails (on their own domain) and download them locally.
The email officially came from their company president, giving the purchasing department orders to immediately pay an invoice of around €20,000 to a new supplier in the UK. It included all the details and had the invoice attached as a PDF.The worrying part is that the style and tone of the writing were exactly like their president's. However, the sender's address, while using the correct name, was a generic Gmail account. This immediately raised a red flag for the purchasing department, and they didn't fall for it. It was also easy for them to check because the president was in their office at that very moment.
Looking at the sender's address, it would have been simple for anyone to figure out what was happening, but many people don't.
The accuracy with which they (likely using an LLM) recreated the president's writing style is truly concerning.@stefano As embarrassing as it may be, I once was scammed by someone pretending to be the owner of the company where I worked. I lost approximately $1,000
However, I did learn my lesson and checking the email address of any suspicious email is the first thing I do now
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@stefano As embarrassing as it may be, I once was scammed by someone pretending to be the owner of the company where I worked. I lost approximately $1,000
However, I did learn my lesson and checking the email address of any suspicious email is the first thing I do now
@gabe_saltar don't be embarrassed. In 2004 or 2005, I was scammed on ebay, too. I lost 1700 euros
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@gabe_saltar don't be embarrassed. In 2004 or 2005, I was scammed on ebay, too. I lost 1700 euros
@stefano Damn! That sucks!
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@stefano Damn! That sucks!
@gabe_saltar it does. I felt stupid. Then I was angry, because it wasn't easy to spot. They stole the login credentials of a legit shop and changed the IBAN. PayPal or other similar tools weren't available. It came out that more than 15 people were scammed, all around Europe. We got in touch with one another and we all went to the police but they couldn't find the money. There's been some money transfer from the original country (Germany) to another, non European country and then...everything lost.
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@gabe_saltar it does. I felt stupid. Then I was angry, because it wasn't easy to spot. They stole the login credentials of a legit shop and changed the IBAN. PayPal or other similar tools weren't available. It came out that more than 15 people were scammed, all around Europe. We got in touch with one another and we all went to the police but they couldn't find the money. There's been some money transfer from the original country (Germany) to another, non European country and then...everything lost.
@stefano WOW! In my case the person pretended to be my boss, and asked me to send him money in for apple gift cards... It sounded suspicious as hell, but I felt for it because I was new in the company. It was second week at the job and I didn't know anyone in the company well enough to make the correct judgement call.
I found the whole thing to be embarrassing because my major is in Cyber Security. To say I felt stupid, would be understatement of the year
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@stefano WOW! In my case the person pretended to be my boss, and asked me to send him money in for apple gift cards... It sounded suspicious as hell, but I felt for it because I was new in the company. It was second week at the job and I didn't know anyone in the company well enough to make the correct judgement call.
I found the whole thing to be embarrassing because my major is in Cyber Security. To say I felt stupid, would be understatement of the year
@gabe_saltar bad things can happen to all of us. But life goes on, and we lean the lesson
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@gabe_saltar bad things can happen to all of us. But life goes on, and we lean the lesson
@stefano so true ... Ma penso che in italiano voi dite... Mannaggia....
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@stefano so true ... Ma penso che in italiano voi dite... Mannaggia....
@gabe_saltar esatto!